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• 7:53 am
• Bugscope Teampumping vac now
• Bugscope Teamvac good, starting presets now
• 7:59 am

• Bugscope Teamhi jfl, welcome to bugscope

• GuestHi Alex. Thanks for inviting me
• 8:06 am
• Bugscope Teamno problem, we are setting up presets

• GuestSo I see... this great!

• Bugscope Teamif you have any questions please feel free to ask anytime
• 8:11 am

• GuestShould using a webcache like squid help at all, it seems to
  Bugscope Teamwell, maybe, but only if everyone is using it, otherwise things might be out of sync between the logins

• 8:17 am
• Bugscope Teamjfl: If a web cache like squid was too aggressive, it could cause trouble because you rely on getting updated information every few seconds. If it caches some of the pages, you'll keep getting the same thing over and over

• Bugscope Teamyeah, chas knows better than me
• Bugscope Teami'd say only try it if you have a way to quickly disable it if it causes trouble
• Bugscope Teamit's actually one of the things our connection test is checking for, that it gets unique responses for each request it makes and not cached ones
• Bugscope Teamthe school never ran the compatibility test, that is a test we offer to make sure the bandwidth at the school is good enough for bugscope
• GuestI choose it via foxy proxy and can turn it off pretty quickly

• GuestInitially the big picture was banded and the preset looked better
• Guestnow the big picture is sometimes still banded but in general looks better

• Bugscope Teamjfl: The banding is not a problem on your end, it's just happening while Cate is controlling directly from the microscope while setting up presets. Once you take over control you should rarely see it

• 8:23 am
• Guestok... I'll reconnect straight on.
• GuestThe pictures are really beautiful
• GuestI'll never take over control... I'm just a walk on... I have no connection to anyone associated with this project
• Bugscope TeamYeah, Cate's doing a great job of finding some pretty locations for presets

• Bugscope Teamjfl, depending on how long you stick around: If the school finishes a little early we can let you try out the controls for a moment before we shut down
• Bugscope Teamok, we are done with presets, i just gave you control jfl, you can practice driving the scope if you like
• Bugscope Teamwhen using navigation, try click to center first
• Bugscope Teamclick to drive might have problems if the network has any lag

• Bugscope Teamyou can click on a preset and it'll take you there
• GuestWowee Zowee
• 8:29 am
• Bugscope Teamchas built this website from the ground up, it's a much improved bugscope, version 2.0

• Bugscope Teamthis is a compound eye
• Bugscope Teamthose hexagons are the individual facets of the compound eye, they are called ommatidia, ommatidium for a single one
• GuestYeah... I've never seen one up this close before
• Bugscope Teamthe spikes are setae (pronounced see-tee), they are sensory in that they help to send wind speed and direction when flying
• Bugscope TeamThis is on a painted lady butterfly
• GuestI've got to work up an application from our school
• GuestWe've got lots of bugs... we eat 'em ... yummy

• Guestwow
• Bugscope TeamThat'd be great, please do fill out an application
• Bugscope Teamjfl, do you know anyone from the school that is doing bugscope today? just curious if they are going to login soon
• 8:34 am
• GuestNo I don't... I just fell by... googling digital microscpes
• Bugscope Teamcool

• GuestI'm thinking about wind speed and direction... from my eyes

• Guestthis has got to engage anyone
• Bugscope Teamwe hope so
• Bugscope Teamit does seem
• Bugscope Teamto

• Bugscope Teamstudents login and ask questions too, they get a lot out of that interaction as well
• Bugscope Teamwe have entomologists that login and answer questions
• GuestMy kids don't speak English that well... a few do... this kind of thing gives 'em good reason to
• GuestIt's those fine little hairs... amazing
• 8:39 am
• Guestare these things plated befor illumination... I've got to do some serious homework on this
• Bugscope Teamthey're coated with a superfine layer of metal before we put them in the microscope, yes
• GuestSo that's 604 thousandths of a millimeter?

• Guestunbelievable

• Bugscope Teamon a sample like the butterfly scales, it's easy to see features that are smaller than the wavelength of visible light, something you just can't do with a light microscope

• 8:45 am

• 8:50 am

• 8:55 am

• GuestI better make lie a fly on the wall myself
• Bugscope TeamHello all
• Bugscope Teamhi annie, no school yet
• Bugscope Teamit's a school in the philippines
• Bugscope TeamCool
• Bugscope Teamwe have a phone number, i will try to call, we are looking up the codes, etc.
• 9:02 am
• Bugscope Teami'm unable to make the call, it doesn't like the number
• Bugscope Teamsending an email to the teacher now
• 9:07 am
• Bugscope Teami sent an email
• Bugscope Teamnot sure what else to do, the phone number is not working
• Bugscope Teamhey jfl, what time is it there? 9PM?
• Bugscope Teamor 11PM?
• Bugscope Teamsorry it looks like this session isn't going to happen
• GuestHer e in Thailand it;s 10:15 pm
• Bugscope Teamah, cool
• 9:13 am
• GuestI think it's 8:15 pm in the pi
• Bugscope Teamok, i'm calling it, session is DOA
• Bugscope Teami've emailed the teacher, maybe they can reschedule
• GuestOr is that 12:15 tomorrow in the am
• Bugscope Teamjfl, you are welcome to drive around more if you like?
• GuestOK!

• Bugscope TeamNo problem people

• Bugscope TeamI am going to check out. Email me if anyone from the scheduled session shows up. ;)
• Bugscope Teamthanks annie

• Bugscope Teamthis is a simple eye on the ant
• Bugscope Teamthere are 3 bumps- or eyes

• Bugscope Teamthey are usually found on flying insects to help navigate using light
• Bugscope Teamlike a built in gps
• 9:18 am
• Bugscope Teamthey dont see images, only changes in light
• Guestsome sort of differential function between the bumps
• GuestI just read that some birds can see markings in the uv... sexually attractive ones

• Bugscope Teamthat's interesting
• Bugscope TeamSome insects, especially ones responsible for pollination, are known to see UV as well. Many flowers have patterns visible in the UV which attract the pollinators
• Guestis that little twif an artifact or organic?
• Guest"twig" I mean
• Bugscope Teamit's probably dirt or dust most likely
• GuestYeah I thought so

• Guestthis one is really nice
• 9:24 am

• Guestthe ant is smiling

• Guestah that's so nice

• 9:29 am

• GuestWow... this ihas to do with breathing... eh?

• Bugscope TeamYes, this is where air comes into their tracheal system
• Bugscope Teamthere are tiny hairs here that help keep unwanted things out, much like how our noses work
• Bugscope TeamAll of the branching structures in there are likely to increase the surface area and increase diffusion of oxygen into their bodies
• Guestand the gaseous exchange takes place on all thei branching apparatus
• Bugscope TeamYes, they don't have lungs to actively draw air in, instead they rely on it passively diffusing through their airways

• Bugscope TeamMost of them do not have hemoglobin in their "blood" to carry around oxygen either, so it has to travel through these airways all the way to the cells that need it
• 9:34 am
• Bugscope Teamtheir equivalent to blood is called hemolymph
• GuestYeah... they don't have this and they don't have that... but do they ever have organization!
• Guestthey must communicat chemically
• Bugscope Teamyes, many (if not most?) do

• GuestIt seems as though there are moe insects in thailand than in the states
• Guestits warmer, never freezes

• Bugscope Teamprobably true, although this year the asian beetles have been so bad I keep finding more of them in my house even after the temperature has gone below freezing!
• GuestNow that's pretty beautiful
• 9:40 am
• Guestwe have kwang beetles... the kids catch them... they're big
• Guestthe put a female underneath two males on a bamboo and watch them fight
• Guestthe grownups bet on 'em
• Bugscope Teamif the insects are really big we usually use parts of the insect to use. The stage is about 50mm big in diameter
• Guestthe kwangs are so big we don't need a microscope to see 'em
• Guestthere are others, smaller ones, more interesting maybe
• Bugscope Teamyeah if there's cool small ones
• Guestthere's a worm tht grows in bamboo that we all love to toast and eat
• GuestI'll have to do some research, there's lots of butterflys
• Guesthow about pollen
• Bugscope Teampollen is definitely fun to find on insects. we don't get too many people that send us pollen by itself. but it could still be fun to look at
• 9:45 am
• GuestI guess you're all entemologists
• Guestmosquitoes are interesting
• Guestthere's lots of dengue
• Guestseems to be on the increase
• Guestsome say due to global warming
• Guestputting the vectors into closer proximity to victims
• Guesttermites too
• Bugscope TeamSome of us are arm-chair entomologists, we've picked up a lot in the many years running this. Others like Annie and Rob (annie was on earlier) are true entomologists
• Guestsilkworms
• Bugscope Teamtermites are great, but they are a little softer, so it's best if they are stored in alcohol, until we get them, and then we can critical point dry them so they stay in better form
• Bugscope Teampollen is very pretty under the electron microscope, definitely worth sending in
• Bugscope Teamsame with silkworms
• Guestcritters that eat rice
• 9:50 am
• GuestI really appreciate the chance to talk to you all
• GuestI have your email
• Bugscope Teamyes and you can also fill out an application when you get a chance
• Bugscope Teamthanks for hanging out, I'm glad you got a chance to control
• Guestgive the site a little bit better inspection
• Guestand investigate what we might send in
• Guestand talk to the official natural scientists at school
• Bugscope Teamif/when you do send some things in, be sure you do it quite early in case there are hangups with the international mail
• Bugscope Teamand also be sure to use especially sturdy containers, otherwise they'll almost certainly get crushed
• Guestbut I love natural science... my undergraduate degree was in earthscience/biology and chmistry
• Guestmaybe we could packe them in bamboo
• Guestbamboo is really strong
• Guestso the specimens come with the application
• Guestthe mail is pretty good... about 10 days in either direction
• Bugscope Teamthe application can be done online. if you want to make sure the specimens get here with plenty of time, you can send them first and then you can fill out an qapplication. whichever way works best for you
• Bugscope Teamthat's pretty good mail time
• 9:55 am
• Bugscope TeamThe application is online. Once you get accepted we will discuss dates and you can send samples in at that point
• GuestOk... but I cannot commit by myself, I have to talk to the others at school
• Guestwill these pictures be online?
• GuestOr I can find others to direct them to?
• Bugscope TeamThe ones from today? Yes, at http://bugscope.beckman.illinois.edu/members/2009-147
• Bugscope Teamthen click on "View Session Transcript"
• Guestwow... it's there already
• Bugscope TeamYep!
• Guestyou know it's really great to connect with some competent people from the US who are doing good things
• 10:01 am
• Bugscope Teamthank you for trying out bugscope, even though our session kind of fell through
• Bugscope TeamGlad we can set a good example
• GuestI'd be proud to present you guys to my friends here
• Bugscope Teamcool!
• Guestunfortunately we are in need of good examples from America at this particular point in time
• Bugscope Teamha!
• Bugscope Teamwell, there are good people everywhere, and bad too.... :)
• Bugscope Teamthis is the inside of the microscope where we put the insects
• Guestnot so much personally, but for our country
• Bugscope Teamoh okay
• GuestI can't see it too well my mnonitor is pretty old
• Bugscope Teamok, so we need to bail, close out the session
• Guestmade in china
• Bugscope TeamThis image is quite dark even on our end
• Guestgreat thanks a million... I'll talk to my partners and come back and apply!
• Bugscope Teamcool
• Bugscope TeamGreat, bye jfl
• Guestbye bye alex, cate, chas... Annie
• Bugscope Teamgood bye!
• 10:07 am
• Bugscope Teamokay, good bye