Connected on 2007-02-28 16:30:00
from Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA
- 4:30 pm
- Bugscope Teamhello!
- Bugscope TeamHello Marquette!
- Bugscope Teammichele? is that you?
- Bugscope Teamif you are going to use IE7, you need to make sure you are admin on your PC
- TeacherYes - we will be starting class momentarily - I have to get the troups rallied?
- Bugscope Teamcan you use firefox instead?
- Teacherno Firefox here...Will it still work in IE?
- Bugscope Teamare you admin on the machine? do you know how to check?
- Bugscope TeamThe reason we ask is that to view the video feed used during control of the microscope you'd have to be able to install the ActiveX plugin
- TeacherI am not the admin - not sure how to check. NO IT people around now
- Bugscope Teamright click on "my computer", select manage, then click on "device manager", it will warn you if you are not admin.
- Bugscope TeamThe other options is to download a "portable" firefox distribution which doesn't require you to be admin to install locally for your account
- TeacherCan I use IE? No go ON firefox.
- Bugscope Teamjust a second michele, we are trying to find the link for you.
- 4:36 pm
- Bugscope Teamhttp://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable
- Bugscope Teammichele, if you can visit the link below, download that firefox app to your machine.
- Bugscope Teamthen, just run it by clicking on it. it is a portable firefox app, which will work much better than IE7.
- Bugscope Teamwith IE7, and non-admin, you will not be able to drive the scope.
- Bugscope TeamA workaround for this has to be found.
- Bugscope Team(Hello, Michele. This is Daniel.)
- Bugscope Teamthey're back. any luck?
- TeacherDownloading theportable FF now...few minutes
- Bugscope Teamawesome.
- GuestGeez
- GuestI couldn't log in!
- Bugscope TeamYay, I just sent you an email.
- GuestAny time I tried to log in with a password it crashed
Bugscope Teamcall us at 265-8164
- Bugscope TeamMichele -- thanks for starting the FF download. We should've warned you ahead of time but forgot
- Guestnow I am pink
- GuestI was
- Bugscope TeamIt will run 100x smoother once you can use Firefox
- Bugscope TeamOnly 100x?
- Bugscope Team:)
- 4:41 pm
- Teacher79% loaded
- Bugscope TeamGreat. Are you going to have the other teachers login too?
- Bugscope TeamIE7 will work fine as long as they're not controlling the scope. They can chat, follow images, etc with IE7 just fine
Bugscope TeamYou'll have to explain that one to me... How is one able to get live video but the one controlling not?
- Teacherno - I am the only logger here - my students will get online soon too!
- Bugscope Teamgreat!
- Bugscope TeamThis is the first time you've used this interface, right?
- Bugscope TeamI am now an admin
- Bugscope Teamawesome
- Bugscope TeamOoh, a promotion.
- Bugscope Teamhi annie
- Bugscope Teammoving up
- Bugscope Teamhiya!
- Bugscope TeamYou earned it for sure.
- Bugscope Teamhaha, some would argue with that statement
- Bugscope Team;)
- TeacherI downloaded Ff and now cannot find it on the PC. Suggestions?
- Bugscope TeamAnnie: get your homework done yet? huh huh huh?
- Bugscope Teamnopes
- Bugscope Teamreload your desktop
- Bugscope Teamme?
- TeacherHow?
- Bugscope Teammichele
- Bugscope Teamnot me
- Bugscope TeamI haven't finished the SAS yet
- Bugscope TeamI may be taking the 50 Green home or walking...fun times
- TeacherStill no FF. Can we run any of this today on IE or do I need to reschedule for same time next wednesday? That is an option.
- 4:46 pm
- Bugscope TeamMichele -- when the file download window came up did you click "Run" or "Save" ?
- Bugscope Teamit would go into either "my documents" or "desktop" i would think.
- TeacherRUN
- Bugscope Teamtry saving it
- Bugscope Teamdid you look to make sure the installer window isn't open?
- Teachertrying again - sorry - I am a computer moron.
- Bugscope Teamnope, I think I found it
- Bugscope Teamlook in
- Bugscope Teamhmm, it's pretty well hidden. can you try downloading once more, but hit "Save" and save it to hte desktop instead. then double-click it there?
- Bugscope TeamI'm trying that right now on my PC so I can guide you through it
- Bugscope Teamwhen you save, it will ask you where you want to save it, save it to the desktop.
- Bugscope Teamcool.
- TeacherOK - I am on FF now - ready??
- Bugscope Teammichele (FF) now has control, try clicking on a preset
- Bugscope TeamWe should be ready to go
- Bugscope Teamall right! time to begin
- TeacherOK - give me 5 minutes to try this and explain it to my class ..they can't wait :)
- Bugscope TeamSure thing. I'll start typing out some quick instructions about the new interface while you're gone
- 4:51 pm
- Bugscope TeamThis interface has a new live video feed during the time that you're driving, changing focus, or adjusting contrast/brightness
- Bugscope TeamThat means you should get almost instant feedback
- Bugscope TeamOne totally new feature is the "Click to Drive" button. Once you click that you start getting video. Now if you click on the image in the middle it'll start to move
- Bugscope Teamthe direction you move is along a line from the center of image out to where you click
- Bugscope Teamso if you click on the right edge you will begin driving to right
- Bugscope Teamyou need to click again to stop otherwise it will just keep going. Once you get close to what you want to see, you can hit "done" and choose "Click to Center" which works just the same as the previous interface (centering what you click on)
- Bugscope TeamPresets work similar to before. Focus and contrast/brightness should be similar except with almost instant feedback.
- Bugscope TeamWe're ready whenever you are!
- 4:57 pm
- Bugscope TeamLooks like you just did a preset
- Bugscope TeamLooks like you're doing great so far. Any questions?
- Teacherjust playing - will have specific questions soon!
- Bugscope Teamcool
- 5:03 pm
- Bugscope TeamWe need Scott online to liven things up.
- Teacherhi! this is jenny and shaina
- Bugscope Teamhi jenny and shaina
- Bugscope TeamHi girls
- Bugscope Teamgirls I suppose :)
- Teacherso, is this image taken from an angle below the junebug?
- Bugscope TeamAlmost all of our bugs are mounted laying on their backs
- Bugscope Teamso this is hte underside, centered near the head
- Teacherwhy is that?
- Bugscope Teambecause the underside is almost always more interesting to look at
- Bugscope Teamits more interesting to look at than the back of a bug, which is usually pretty plain
- Bugscope TeamWhat you see near the top, center are some of the mouthparts, they almost look like parenthesis
- Bugscope Teammany scarabs (beetles like junebugs) have shovel-like heads
- Teacheron either side of the mouth there are 2 lighter colored appendages, -- what are those?
- Teachercoming from the sides of the mouth
- Bugscope Teamthere are some palps
- Bugscope TeamPart of it has to do with the anatomical features and the fact that we cannot see color when using an SEM. As you know, many insects look really colorful, with bright patterns on their skin. We can't see those (typically) here, but we can see some really neat features that are typically hidden from view when looking from the top.
- Bugscope TeamYes, listen to Annie. She's an entomology student here at University of Illinois and she knows her stuff
- Bugscope TeamPalps. Dang. Annie beat me.
- Bugscope TeamThose were the antennae I believe, they were coming out and down, right?
- Bugscope Teamthose are mouth "appendanges"--they have little contact chemoreceptors on them that allow the beetle to "taste"
- Teacherwhat are palps?
- 5:08 pm
- Bugscope Teamthe palps are the smaller "feelers" coming off of the maxilla---in the center of your screen right now
- Bugscope TeamInsects have mandibular and maxillary palps
- Bugscope Teamthey help it maneuver food as well as taste it using "chemoreceptors" on the tips
- Bugscope Teamthey allow the insec to "taste" its food, the place that it is sitting...some insects even "taste" potential mates
- Bugscope Teamfly eye
- Bugscope Team?
- Bugscope Teamyes
- Teacherdo you have any suggestions of which of our images are the coolest?
- Bugscope TeamThis one is pretty need, especially as you zoom out
- Bugscope Teamneat, rather
- Bugscope Teamwhat we call fruit flies are actually more precisely called vinegar flies
- Bugscope Teamfruit flies are agricultural pests
- Bugscope TeamApple maggots and such
- Bugscope TeamAnnie, can you explain what the "setae" in between these eye facets are for?
- Teacherdo they see out of each individual section/"pocket"
- Teacher?
- Bugscope TeamWhat I was told is that they allow the insect to sense direction in the wind
- Bugscope TeamThe round bumps are the individual ommatidia, components of the compound eye
- Teacherand, what are the "pointy things"?
- Bugscope Teambees and flies both have eye hairs...beetles have no eye setae
- Bugscope TeamI was also told that if you shave off the eye hairs (don't ask me how),bees are unable to navigate in the wind
- Bugscope TeamThey "see" with each of the ommatidia but the have to reconstruct all the individual data into one thing that makes sense
- Bugscope TeamLooks like some of these have been shaved off.
- Teacherso this guy wouldnt be able to navigate in the wnid very easily correct?
- Bugscope Teamyeah, they don't exactly get spa treatment when they're rolling around in our collection boxes
- 5:13 pm
- Bugscope Teamwith a tiny little razor
- Teacherwell maybe they should haha
- Teacherwhat happened to the butterfly and moth missss korbbbbb sent
- Bugscope Teamright..the problem is that not all flies are necessarily strong fliers...
- Teacher:)
- Bugscope Teamthere are no easy answers
- Bugscope TeamSeeing with multiple eyes isn't so odd, if you think about it. We see with two (typically) and don't think anything of it because our brain sorts it out. We don't know for certain what insects see, or how they interpret what is coming it, but it is certainly sufficient to find food and a mate, when combined with their other senses.
- Bugscope Teamit's likely that these setae became more brittle after it died and dried out. when it was alive it probably had fewer of them knocked off
- Bugscope Teamthey got kind of squished along the way
Bugscope Teamsorry this was in answer to the butterfly and moth bugs
- Bugscope Teamahh, they are dead...dead things fall apart
- Bugscope Teamvery philosophical
- Teacherby whom!
Bugscope Teamby the mail man i guess
- Bugscope Teamdid they make it onto the stub at all, or too pulverized?
- Bugscope TeamI reeived the envelope yesterday morning and took it down to Scott. He handed it off before I could see how they survived. I think they might have been a bit mooshed, though. The USPS didn't seem to take very good care of the envelope...
- Bugscope Team(oops: received, not reeived)
- Bugscope TeamHere are some mandibles and a bunch of palps
- Bugscope TeamAnd no, I'm not the mailman, even though I took the mail downstairs... :-)
- Teacherour preset say "with wings" where would we see that in this picture?
- Bugscope Teamit was David Hasselhoff's fault!!
- Bugscope TeamYou'll want to zoom out and drive downwards
- Bugscope Teamthis is up top at the head
- Bugscope Teamthis is an ant or wasp?
Bugscope Teamit looked like an ant with wings when i put the sample on the stub
Bugscope Teamwe are not sure, do you know?
- Bugscope Teamyou might just use click to center to go down a field of view or two
- Bugscope Teamsame order
- Bugscope Teamer, could.
- Bugscope Teambut I'm not very knowledgeable about bugs so...yeah
- Bugscope Teamthese are the tarsal (?) segments of hte leg. you might want to adjust focus
- 5:18 pm
- Teacherwhat is the hair on the legs for?
- Bugscope TeamInsects are much hairier than we anticipate
- Bugscope Teamthey use the hairs to sense their environments
- Bugscope Teamfocus is looking better!
- Bugscope TeamAnnie, do the hairs have any role in hygiene?
- Teacherdo they have multiple joints in their legs?
- Bugscope TeamYep. Annie could name them all for you. Of interest is the fact that you can see the ball & socket design
- Bugscope TeamI imagine some do, you see flies and cockroaches grooming themselves with their legs a lot
- Bugscope TeamThey do, they aren't really joints like we have
- Bugscope TeamBecause they have exo-skeletons, their "bones" are all on the outside, so their joints are exposed whereas ours are of course covered up by skin and not visible
- Teacherhow do you prepare the specimens?
- Bugscope TeamMuscles have attachment point on each segment
- Bugscope TeamWe actually have a video you can watch to see it first-hand, but not a lot. The dead bugs get mounted on sticky carbon tape and then coated with a super-fine layer of metal
- Bugscope Teampoitns
- Bugscope Teampoints, GEEZ
- 5:24 pm
- Bugscope TeamThe actual bug here is to the lower-left
- Bugscope TeamIt's a very long one! This is the tail-end
- Bugscope Teamalthough it extends down quite a ways still
- Bugscope TeamMichele, how are you liking the new interface? Are you have any problems adapting? Anything, as an experienced bugscope user, you'd suggest or notice? (You don't have to answer now, but keep it in mind while you're exploring.)
- Bugscope TeamLooks like you guys are navigating really well! Time for some focus adjustment
- TeacherIt seems to be fine to me once we got moving. It is hard to read the Chat though.
- Bugscope Teambecause of colors, size?
- Bugscope TeamIn what way?
- Bugscope Teamor too busy with controlling?
- Bugscope Team(Space? Color? Size? Location? Order?)
- TeacherSmall and contrast difficult. Can't see enough of the Chat box at once to read the dialogue.
- Bugscope Teamah, you're probably on a smaller screen size, like 1024x768 (do you know?)
- TeacherI have no idea....but that could be the problem!
- 5:29 pm
- Bugscope Teamthis might free up some space: hit F11 to go to full-screen
- TeacherOK - We are going to sign off soon - send me a link to any comments you want me to make about Bugscope. Thanks for your time and energy - we have to move onward with the rest of class! Michele
- Bugscope Teamif you have a bunch of menus it'll free up tons more space
- Bugscope TeamThanks for logging in Michele!
- Bugscope TeamLet us know when you've moved on so we can shut things down here
- Bugscope Teamok thank you for trying out our new interface
- Bugscope Teamthank you for the good questions!!
- Bugscope TeamThanks again, Michele!
- TeacherThanks you!! See you later in the future!
- TeacherIt was not too bad! thanks again!
- Bugscope Teambye!!
- Bugscope Teamsee you again!
- Bugscope TeamOk, teardown time
- Bugscope TeamThanks Annie for loggin' in
- Bugscope Teamthank you Annie for your knowledge of bugs ^^
- Bugscope TeamNo. It's HAMMER-TIME!
- Bugscope Teamhaha
- Bugscope Teamno problem
- Bugscope Team....can't touch dis...
- Bugscope TeamI always enjoy the bugscope
- Bugscope Teamoh daniel....
- Bugscope Teamyikes
- Bugscope TeamYes?
- Bugscope Team:P
- Bugscope TeamWhat?
- Bugscope TeamWhat was that for?
- Bugscope Teami was giving you a look over the computer
- Bugscope Teamnot very effective
- Bugscope Teamdo you want to go over the homework??
- 5:35 pm
- Bugscope Team?
- Bugscope Teamstop.... collaborate and listen
- Bugscope TeamSure. I just got done formatting problem #1. I've got a solution for #2 and some SAS crud for the others but am not sure if I know how to interpret it. I guess I was too worn out to follow the discussion section.
- Bugscope Team...HAMMER-TIME!...
- Bugscope Teamsomethin' somethin', don't remember hte rest of the words
- Bugscope TeamI am not finished either
- Bugscope TeamOk, I'm out. Cya stats geeks
- Bugscope Teamthe SAS is done, but I am not finished writing interpreting
- Bugscope Team:P
- Bugscope TeamI have a friend, Rachel, who knows all the words to "I like big butts". Scary.
- Bugscope Teaminterpretation that is
- Bugscope TeamI know all the words to both of those songs and Ice Ice Baby
- Bugscope TeamHi, Chas. I see a hand.
- Bugscope TeamProve it.
- Bugscope TeamAnyway, ok...do you want me to call you later...like at 9 or so
- Bugscope TeamOh, I will
- Bugscope TeamI hope to be finished by then
- Bugscope TeamAll right stop collaborate and listen Ice is back with a brand new edition, something grabs a hold of me tightly
- Bugscope Teammore?
- Bugscope Teamflow like a harpoon daily and nightly?
- Bugscope TeamDid you get negative numbers for problem #1?
- Bugscope Teamno
- Bugscope TeamI think I ignored the negative sign
- Bugscope TeamI got 197-212 or something like that
- Bugscope TeamNo. Hmm. Which did you have as the n1 and which as n2? I used the 26C ones as n1. Yeah, I get between 185 and 238 more than the control.
- 5:41 pm
- Bugscope TeamOr perhaps I should say the difference is in that range.
- Bugscope Teami dont have the answer right now
- Bugscope Teamhmm I i mean, it is at home
- Bugscope Teamon my computer
- Bugscope TeamYeah, you tricked me intro revealing the answer so you didn't have to do the problem yourself! BLARGH!
- Bugscope Teamno, i did it . it is just on my other computer
- Bugscope Team:P
- Bugscope Teamriiiight.
- Bugscope Teamwhatever
- Bugscope TeamI did it
- Bugscope TeamGive me a call later. 398-2303. I should be home by 8pm, and hopefully will have solid answers for the other ones.
- Bugscope TeamOk?
- Bugscope Teamok sounds good
- Bugscope Team i will call you
- Bugscope Teamme too
- Bugscope Teambye for now
- Bugscope Teambye bye bye
