Connected on 2007-03-07 18:30:00
from Richland, Washington, USA
- 6:53 pm
- Bugscope TeamOK, we cleared the chat out to start fresh
- StudentHi
- Bugscope Teamhi leah!
- Bugscope Teamhey guys
- StudentHey
- Bugscope Teamyo fig
- Bugscope TeamHi guys! Please feel free to ask us anything about the images you're seeing, bugs, the microscope, etc
- StudentI am missing the control panel to the right
- Bugscope TeamLisa: Please go back to the Firefox window you opened, instead of using this one in Internet Explorer
- Bugscope Teamthe controls are granted to WSU right now
- StudentThanks!
- Bugscope Teamthat one has been given control, and will show the controls on the right
- Bugscope Teamyou can close the IE7 window that you have open, you don't need it
- StudentWhat type of mite is this or what type of bug is this?
- 6:58 pm
- StudentWhat is going on?
- Bugscope TeamYou'll need to click again to stop driving!
- Bugscope Teamclick again to stop the movement
- Bugscope TeamOK, now we've travelled to a different bug on the sample stage
- StudentOk,
- Bugscope Teamthe movement control you just used starts moving in the direction you click until you click again to stop it
- Bugscope Teamonce you get near something you're interested in, you'll want to use the "Click to Center" instead. Then, whatever you click on in the image will be moved to the center of hte image so that you can zoom in on it
- StudentCan we select another preset?
- Bugscope Teamyes, please!
- Bugscope TeamLisa: It would be best if you just close the window where you're logged in as "Teacher" and use the firefox window where you're logged in as "WSU" for chat and control
- StudentWhat type of beetle?
- Bugscope TeamI don't think we know exactly what it is. Came from a big collection of unidientified stuff
- Bugscope TeamOften times people bring us jars of bugs
- Bugscope Teamyou can try to decrease the magnification so you can see more parts of this bug
- Bugscope Teambut I think this one was the really long one?
- 7:03 pm
- StudentI can't tell which this one is...
- Bugscope TeamTry zooming out and we'll try to identify
- StudentMy son has collected a couple of preying mantis' that we have placed in jars. They had laid eggs before they died, I wonder if they will hatch during summer or die. Do you know?
Bugscope Teampraying mantis eggs hatch anywhere from 3 weeks to 6 months, so they are probably dead already
- Bugscope TeamI think this is a small black beetle.
- Bugscope Teamwhen did they lay the eggs?
- Bugscope TeamYou can see now that it has clubbed antennae.
- StudentAfter summer during the fall
- Bugscope Teamoh yeah, you can look at the scale bar to the lower left: it's only about 1.5 millimeters wide
- Bugscope Teamvery small
- Studentwhat's the bug laying on? Is it taped, or floating in something?
- Bugscope Teamthat's carbon tape which is conductive, and has sort of a bubbly appearance
- Studentthat would make sense because of the bubbles
- Bugscope TeamIt's on double stick carbon tape and has silver paint to help make the conductive connection to ground.
- Studentdoes it have hair on it eye
- StudentThanks Alex, he will be disappointed, but at least he will know.
- Studentis that hair or sperm
Bugscope Teamthat is a hair
- Bugscope Teamso there's a slight chance, perhaps. we have a wild story here of a butterfly chrysilis that actually went through a whole bugscope session and hatched over the weekend after we took it out
- Bugscope TeamLook at one of the fruit flies -- they have tiny setae between most of the ommatidia.
- Studentooh I love butterflies!
- StudentHow often to walking sticks lay eggs and multiply
Bugscope Teamdepends on the location, summer in temporate climates, year around in tropics.
- Bugscope Teamthat's a hair, or "setae" as they're called on bugs. you frequently see them between the individual ommatidia (facets) of the eye
- Bugscope Teamthose were quite sparse, but some insects have them between every part of the compound eye in a very regular fashion
- Bugscope TeamA monarch butterfly chrysalis that I coated with gold-palladium and actually put in the ;scope, in the vacuum.
- 7:08 pm
- Studentso what does the hair do?
- Studentwhy is it in the eyes?
- Studentwhy do they have hair in their eyes?
- Bugscope Teamone very cool thing about eyes: their appearance tells you a LOT about what the insect is like
- Bugscope TeamThen it was sitting in my office on the shelf -- I hadn't thrown it away yet -- and it hatched.
- StudentThese things are covered in hair, they look like my oldest brother
- Bugscope TeamThe hairs (setae) help them gauge windspeed when they fly, we think.
- StudentDo ants use combs to taste their food?
- Bugscope TeamThis is one of the built-in combs on an ant's legs.
- Bugscope TeamThey use them to clean their antennae.
- Bugscope Teamthat was an ant, which lives underground so it doesn't need it need eyes as much, and so its eye was much less complex
- StudentWe have had then through the fall, but they seem to be multipling. We have them under a heat lamp for warmth, then we spray them daily for moisture.
Bugscope Teamcool.
- StudentDo all ants live underground?
Bugscope Teamsome ants nest in trees
- Bugscope TeamAll that I know of like to have enclosed colonies, but some may build structures above ground
- Bugscope TeamSome ants live inside trees, like acacia trees.
- Bugscope TeamThis we don't recognize either, sorry.
- 7:13 pm
- Bugscope Teambut most are in the ground in nests to protect their offspring
- Bugscope TeamAnother reason they live underground is that often their food is the mold that grows on other things as it decays
- Studentdoes cinnamon really kill ants?
Bugscope Teamwell, it does seem that ants are adverse to cinnimon, but it doesn't really kill them in normal doses.
- StudentDo ants keep the same home year after year?
Bugscope TeamI think they typically stay there for quite a while. Although occasionally a new queen is bred and will leave the colony to go start a new one elsewhere
- StudentWhat type of legs are mandibles
- Studentwhere did you find this unknown bug
- Bugscope Teamso they harvest plant matter and take it underground where the it's a constant 60-deg F and can get very humid
- Studentdo you know much about tarantulas?
- Bugscope TeamThe mandibles are not legs -- they're the loose part of the jaw. The fixed part of the jaw is the maxilla.
- StudentIs this a tarantula - we have one
- Bugscope TeamThe palps are thus called mandibular or maxillary palps, and the palps are like modified limbs.
- Bugscope TeamTarantulas are generally larger than this whole stub.
- Bugscope TeamThe stub we are looking at with the bugs on it is 1.75 inches across.
- Bugscope TeamFruit fly. Now check out its eyes.
- Bugscope Teamif it helps scott, that big bug was a weird shade of blue
- StudentOur tarantula had molted and it actually looked like to taratulas in the tarrarium
- Studentfig says that cinamon makes their legs disappear, so that's not true?
Bugscope Teamwell shoot, i don't know.
- Bugscope TeamMaybe if fig has the cinnamon in his eyes.
- Studentdid you lose your train of thought on the last comment
- Bugscope Teami thought cinnamon just scared the ants away
- Bugscope Teambut I don't know much about that method
- 7:19 pm
- Bugscope TeamThis is cool -- you can see the antennae and how they are streamlined into the head.
- Bugscope Teamyes!
- Bugscope TeamAnd you can see the tiny setae between the ommatidia.
- Bugscope Teamthe eye is to the left of what we're seeing right now
- StudentUsing cinnamon helps keep poison away from young children that is why people use it on ants
- Bugscope Teamthere it is. Note the setae between every eye facet
- Bugscope TeamYeah the dome shape now in the center.
- Bugscope TeamOOF.
- Bugscope TeamIf you recall what it looked like on the ant, this eye is much more "complex"
- Bugscope Teambecause this is a flying insect
- StudentThis is awesome
- Bugscope TeamYou can barely see one of the ocelli.
- Bugscope TeamIf you want to zoom in more, we could adjust focus and get an even clearer image
- Bugscope TeamOn top of the head.
- Studentwhats the ocelli?
- Bugscope Teamby "we" I actually mean, "you" :-)
- Bugscope TeamThe ocelli are the three simple domelike eyes on top of the head.
- Bugscope Teamocellus, ocelli
- StudentWe changed the person at the front.
- Studentso it has three eyes?
- Bugscope TeamAbout the cinnamon and ants: I don't know why the cinnamon would harm the ants, especially their legs, but ants are VERY reliant on chemical signals and trails so it's possible that interferes with them or discourages them
- Bugscope TeamThey are used we think to help orient with the sun.
- Bugscope TeamSo they have five eyes.
- Bugscope TeamThis is part of the haltere, which Diptera have.
- Studentin english please
- Bugscope TeamThe haltera is sort of like a gyroscope that balances the movement of the two wings.
- Bugscope TeamAn ocelli sense light like an eye does, but they can't determine by itself the direction from which the light came, as in it doesn't form an "image"
- StudentThat makes sense as to why they would be distracted from their trail
- Bugscope TeamDiptera means 'two wings.'
- Bugscope Teamhaltere, not haltera as I had typed.
- Bugscope Teamif you see video of a fly in action, you see the haltere looking like a little sack bouncing back and forth agains it's body
- 7:24 pm
- Studentwe so would have believed you if you had left it at haltera
- Bugscope Teamand it senses the movement of that sack, the haltere, to understand it's direction of movement
- Bugscope TeamWhat we see now are the mechanosensors that the fly uses to sense the motion of the haltere. What we saw, that is.
- Bugscope TeamThis I think is an amphibious beetle.
- Bugscope TeamIf you were to drive up higher on its body -- to the north -- you would see flipperlike limbs.
- Bugscope TeamYes. Some of it's legs looked usual, as if they were modified for swimming
- Bugscope TeamThis is where the pulvillus is -- right in between the claws.
- Bugscope TeamThe pulvillis is a pad composed of many many tiny hairs that usually sits just below the claws at the end of the leg
- Bugscope Teamthis one is sort of folded up onto itself
- Bugscope Teamwith all the lines
- Bugscope TeamIn some insects, like houseflies, the pulvillus has tenent setae that help it stick to the ceiling, or to glass.
- Bugscope Teamit looks like it's got some dirt stuck in between those long tubular things
- Bugscope Teamtenent like in Spanish tener
- Bugscope TeamGeckos have a similar system but the setae are much smaller and are said to utilize vanderwaals forces.
- Bugscope TeamThis has spines rather than sticky setae.
- Bugscope TeamBecause the setae in these pulvilli are too large to use vanderwaals force, they sometimes sucrete a sticky substance
- Bugscope Teama 'weak' force
- Bugscope Teamlike married people
- 7:29 pm
- Bugscope TeamI can't type that fast
- Bugscope Teamor none married people too i guess
- Bugscope TeamGood Alex.
- Bugscope Teamin fact, if you get much closer, the nuclei of the atoms are TOO close and they start to repel each other
- Studentwhat are we looking at?
- Bugscope Teambut it's also a very small force... so geckos have billions of these tiny setae in order to get a useful amount of adhesion to surfaces
- Bugscope Teamtry focus here
- Bugscope Teamhard to tell but it's OOF
- Bugscope Teamyeah try focus
- Bugscope TeamOOF = "out of focus", btw
- Bugscope Teamone way or the other...
- Bugscope Teamgreat! getting better
- Studentok , thanks
- Studentlol
- Studentwhat are we looking at?
- Bugscope Teamah, as we can clearly see this is a self portrait of scott
- Bugscope Teamwhere were we last? I'm not sure I can tell if I do'nt know the context.
- Studentlol=laugh out loud
- Bugscope Teamalex.. lol
- Bugscope TeamUh..
- Bugscope Teamok...... this looks like the inner folds of a joint in the leg
- Bugscope TeamOkay that was a fine membrane -- part of the claw assembly.
- Bugscope Teamwow, great zoom out on that one WSU!
- Studentwow, that's quite a magnification
Bugscope Teamthat's why the scanning electron microscope is so cool!
- Bugscope TeamI've actually seen that pattern before a number of times on the inner surfaces near joints. it might play a role in allowing them to move freely, or keep them clean
- Bugscope Teamyeah it is a familiar pattern
- Bugscope Teamlike shingles
- Bugscope Teamand so expensive: $500,000 at least, right scott?
- Bugscope TeamAnother claw you found yourself.
- Bugscope Teami thought it was a little more
- Bugscope Teamyeah, it has a distinctly layered look like scales... although I'm not sure if they are actually loose like scales
- Bugscope Team$582,000
- Bugscope Teamplus it is getting a nice upgrade next week
- Bugscope Teamyeah man
- 7:35 pm
- Bugscope TeamYou can see fungus here.
- Studenteeew
- Bugscope TeamThe thing that looks like umbrellas attached one after the other in a line.
- Studentthe things that look like dry flaky skin is fungus?
- Bugscope TeamIt looks like a string of beads now.
- Bugscope Teamvery small right now, going horizontally across the center of the image
- Bugscope Teamzoom in!
- Studentohhh, I see it
- Bugscope TeamTake the mag up a little and focus.
- Bugscope TeamWho is driving?
- Bugscope Teamok, we're on the ant jaw now I guess
- Bugscope TeamWSU is driving.
- Studentevery so often one of us goes up there to mess with the controls
Bugscope Teamwell you guys are doing great so far. very active, we like that!
- Bugscope Teamhey, I saw a moth/butterfly scale on his mandibles there!
- Bugscope Teamah cool
- Bugscope Teamgo for it
- Bugscope TeamFlying ant.
- Bugscope Teami agree, WSU is a fiesty group of bug lovers!
- Studentbug lovers?
- Bugscope Teamawwwe, poor bugs
- Bugscope Teamthose are the "clips" that hook their two sets of wings together
- 7:40 pm
- Bugscope Teamyou should adjust the focus now
- Bugscope Teamso we can see them clearly
- Bugscope TeamHamuli.
- Bugscope Teamlooking good! keep going
- Studentis this hair again
- Studentalright, thanks!
- Studentit's been real
- Studentthanks for your help!
- Bugscope TeamThis is what four-winged insects have to connect the fore- and hindwings on each side.
- StudentBye have a great one.
- StudentThis was fun!
- Bugscope TeamMicrosetae.
- Bugscope TeamThank you!
- Bugscope TeamThanks! Cya
- Bugscope TeamCiao!!!
- Bugscope TeamWhere's Lisa?
- Bugscope Teambye guys
- StudentThanks for everything! We will get back to you with the survey for Umesh- If he still wants it. Remind me of the website that we can use to find the chat dialog?
- Bugscope TeamChas?
- Bugscope TeamI'll have to get back to you on the chat transcript: we don't have it yet for this interface but I can make it for you in the next day
- Bugscope TeamThat's it? No more?
- Bugscope TeamList, great job on getting firefox working, sorry it was trouble. But in the end it worked great for you.
- Bugscope TeamLisa, ah, my a's are t's today.
- Bugscope TeamAre you like totally done?
- Bugscope TeamBrenda are you still here?
- GuestYes. Thanks for letting me watch. That was incredible!
- Bugscope TeamDid you get to control before at all?
- Bugscope TeamKind of wild today.
- Bugscope Teamyeah you can drive if you'd like.
- Bugscope TeamI was too busy doing chat to notice
- GuestYeh - it was moving pretty fast to try to read and watch. But amazing.
- Bugscope Teamwe thought they were running 'til 9:30 our time.
- GuestSo that was their bugs?
- Bugscope TeamThese are hamuli -- little wing hooks.
- 7:45 pm
- GuestOr yours?
- Bugscope TeamWe provided these. We often do.
- Bugscope Teamno, we had them in our own bug collection
- Bugscope Teamwe need to get some fresh ones
- GuestI was laughing to myself - because we have lots of bugs here in Florida. : )
- Bugscope Teamwe get them from my house. they are my pets, nice little buggies
- Bugscope TeamBut we didn't know what everything was, and our entomologist had a meeting this evening.
- Bugscope Teamwhere in florida? i have a brother at FSU
- GuestHa Ha
- Bugscope TeamSend us some small ones, Brenda -- they need to be small for this.
- GuestOh - no Palmetto Bugs?
- Bugscope Teamand send them in something that wont let them get squished
- Bugscope TeamYou don't need a microscope for those.
- Bugscope Teampreferrably smaller than a centimeter or two
- Bugscope Teamflorida has some big bugs...
- GuestI'm thinking of trying cinnimon on my little baby ants that keep coming in when it rains out. : )
- Bugscope TeamLike a cicada -- do you need a microscope to see one of those dudes?
- Bugscope TeamThey might like it.
- Bugscope Teamchas, interface is working freeking awesome now dude. great job.
- GuestYeh - our roaches are too bug for your microscopes. Ha HA
- Bugscope Teamyuck have fun with those
- Bugscope TeamThey'd try to carry it off.
- Bugscope TeamThat's why I like to live in a place where it freezes hard in the winter.
- GuestFortunately - I don't see many of them. But they can be pretty big. : o
- Bugscope TeamKills the fleas and stuff.
- Bugscope TeamOh cool.
- GuestOkay - what is this? An eye ... and ... ?
- Bugscope TeamYeah we don't have lizards up here either.
- Bugscope TeamThis is a fruit fly.
- Bugscope TeamWe had been centered on one of the spiracle.
- GuestOh my gosh - you are missing out on 'lots'. Ha Ha
- Bugscope Teamspiracles
- Bugscope Teamno anoles, no geckos
- StudentThanks again. We are done here. I never know how long they are going to take so I apologize for scheduling our session for so long and then signing off early! I aslo apologize for being a computer dummy earlier. Thanks for walking me through everything. :) Have a great night.
- 7:50 pm
- Bugscope Teamlisa, it was our pleasure, you did great!
- Bugscope TeamThank you Lisa.
- Bugscope TeamThanks for letting us know. We'll shut down now. Glad we got things working, it looked like a great active session
- Bugscope Teamit was no problem, and we hope you enjoyed the time you had
- Bugscope TeamYeah you did great. That is not so easy -- I had to stay back and get Alex and Chas to help.
- GuestThanks again!
- Bugscope TeamBrenda Thank You.
- Bugscope TeamWe do this sometimes, and you know how to get here.
- GuestSounds good. Thanks much. Bye now.
- Bugscope TeamThe bugscope page usually has listed what's coming up.
- Bugscope TeamBye!
- Bugscope Teamok well I guess I'll be logging now
- Bugscope Teamit was fun guys
- Bugscope Teamcya cathy, thanks for joining in!
- Bugscope Teamlater cathy, it was a blast
- Bugscope Teambzzzt
- Bugscope Teamand it all goes black...
